Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2005 Messages: 5648 Localisation: Dorchester County, South Carolina
Posté le: Thu 09 Oct, 2008 12:42 am Sujet du message: Swamp Lemon
Not sure if this should be listed here or roostock.
Anyway... Terry sent me some fruit with the below story attached. The
fruit is the size of large Trifoliata fruit. Same look & texture.
The thing is these fruit don't have the stink of standard Trifoliata.
Too late to take photos, I will get some tomorrow, clean the seed and
let you know what I find.
Swamp Lemon Story
I finally got up with the guy who has the Swamp Lemon. What
a neat old guy. He reminded me of my grandfather. Here's what he
told me so far.
That he was 14 when he was hunting on the Livingston
Creek in Delco, NC. He saw the swamp lemon and asked he's older
hunting companion about it. His friend said that the Swamp Lemons
had grown wild there on Livingston creek for as long as he could
remember. This guy Charley said that as that was 60 years ago and
adding his friend’s age would make it about 125 years that these lemons
were growing wild there.
I think the 60 years is reliable. I'm not as sure of his
old friends extra 45years. So, this Swamp Lemon has been growing
there for 60 to 125 years.
He said that most people who live in that areas have
these lemon trees growing in their yard by digging them up from this
creek. But as far as I know the Swamp Lemon trees are only growing
wild along the west side of Rte. 74 where it crosses the Livingston
So I'm thinking that some one brought a fruit there
from FL about 60 to 125 ears ago. The trifoliate may have been
cross-pollinated from an orange. But the fruit doesn’t look much
different than trifoliate.
I am surprised that in 60 to 125 years that all of the Cape
Fear river isn't covered with Swamp Lemons because Livingston Creek
flows into the Cape Fear River. The Lemon site is only about 30
miles from Wilmington. Maybe the brackish water helped.
After a lot of effort I obtained some fruit and seedlings and some cuttings.
Now here’s the thing. The fruits flesh has no trifoliate taste or
smell. None at all. The peeling has a slight off smell and a gummy
nature to it. It doesn’t taste good or bad it’s kind of bland. The
taste is closer to an orange than a lemon but definitely citrus. I
don’t know if a regular Trifoliate has a lemon or orange taste. All I
remember of the one I tried to taste was the terrible smell that was
nauseating. But, unlike the usual trifoliate you can eat it. I was
told that some have made lemonade with it. So, I tried it. On a scale
of 1 to 10 I’d give it a 5. If you live in a zone 9 or 10 it
wouldn’t impress you. If you live in a zone 6 or 7 and wanted to say
you drank a Trifoliate lemonade it wasn’t bad.
My question is,” If a Swamp Lemon used this to re-make some of the
early trifoliate crosses do you think I would be ahead of the game taste
wise? This doesn’t seem to be a soil generated taste difference. The
Swamp Lemon that I got is at the least third generation from the
original tree and is 10 to 15 miles from the original tree.
Inscrit le: 21 Nov 2005 Messages: 243 Localisation: Wilmington, NC
Posté le: Thu 09 Oct, 2008 10:31 am Sujet du message:
Laaz, Here are some pic I forgot to send.
The tree is about 8 to 10 ft tall.
The Swamp Lemon leaf is in the middle.
The large leaf on the left is a wild lemon (Trifoliata cross) from LA. They call them
Rough lemons. The leaf on the right is a normal Trifoliata.
is definitely a hybrid trifoliata of some kind. The 3 leaves with the
large center leaf is similar to carrizo, swingle and troyer. Roger Qiinn
in Orange county TX has a similar one with the same leaf pattern but
the fruit is not very good.
Inscrit le: 08 May 2008 Messages: 251 Localisation: Jersey Village, TX
Posté le: Fri 10 Oct, 2008 1:24 am Sujet du message: Serrated leaves
was a Nova show on PBS this last week, about dinosaurs in the arctic.
They discussed serrated leaves and the importance of them in colder
weather. Serrated leaves, allows the plant to bring water from the
ground during cold weather. Someone did a study taking the ratio of
plants with serrated and non serrated leaves to known weather
conditions. They then used that information to approximate the weather
in the arctic when the dinosaurs were there from leaf fossil records.
The trifoliate is fairly cold hardy so it makes some since that they are serrated.
flesh seems more yellow than Poncirus and the juice has an agreeable
sour taste. There were Poncirus oils in the skin though, and the fruit
size (external appearance) was more similar to Poncirus than citrange.
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